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Re: Sorting Software by Sites |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:18 pm |
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| If you play on Cake you are probably getting rich, in which case you could just buy the site and implement that feature yourself. Seriously those games on Cake are incredible, so much dead money. I took second in a $25 rebuy two nights ago and I think it was the second tourney I have ever played on Cake. The guy directly to my right rebought 26 times! |
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Re: Welcome to AHK Forum! |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:20 pm |
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| It's awesome to have you on board Jayme, AHK scripts make my life so much easier and I was really hoping we would find an expert like yourself to help us sort them all out. |
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Re: Members' Only Freeroll! |
Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:29 pm |
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| I want in too, if it's only the three of us I'm a lock for the win. |
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Learning AHK |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:28 pm |
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| So far I have only learned enough to download scripts and use them, but I think being able to write them or at least customize them would be great. Jayme, any suggestions on where to get started with learning about them and how much work that is to learn? |
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Re: Sharkscope exported spreadsheets. |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:15 pm |
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| I don't know about that, but it's a very good idea. Spreadsheets can do some awesome things, you can probably create a spreadsheet that would analyze those stats nicely and do all kinds of great stuff with them. I hadn't even thought about that until you mentioned it, I may have to find someone who is good with spreadsheets and pay them to make us one that does all sorts of good analysis with the sharkscope info.
Right now I just use Pokerscore for sng's, it works great and it's free, but doesn't have the capability you are talking about. |
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New Members: Welcome to Software Discussion |
Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:27 pm |
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| [quote="Fox":28r0n1ur]Welcome to the forum!
Online poker is a different game, and the online game requires a different set of skills than those slow, boring, brick and mortar games. What live players get from reading body language is nothing compare to what we can get from some detailed statistics, and this forum is dedicated to the programs that help us succeed in the online jungle.
My name is Fox, and I'll be patrolling this forum, along with a number of other software experts, and representatives from many of your favorite programs. We encourage discussion of new and interesting ways to get an edge in the online game, but there will be a few topics that are off limits.
[b:28r0n1ur]The following types of forum posts will result in a suspension or ban of your account and posting privileges.
- Spam, including any type of solicitation request or links to pay sites. If it's an affiliate link, we'll delete it and ban your IP.
- Begging or stake requests. There are places for that sort of thing, we don't want them cluttering up our boards.
- Racism, sexism, or prejudice of any type. Don't be offensive, there's no need for it, and this site doesn't involve anything that would bring up those subjects.
- Bots or illegal cheating software. If you are worried someone is using a bot against you, or want to know how to spot a bot, feel free to discuss it. If you want to create one to cheat and steal from the rest of us we will ban you immediately. The line should be pretty easy to see, just don't post anything that helps people who cheat and feel free to post things that help us defeat the thieves and you'll be fine. If you have a question about whether a post is appropriate, ask us first. [/b:28r0n1ur]
And now our policy on software, to clear up any questions you may have about the "gray area" that exists with some programs.
[i:28r0n1ur]Here at PokerSoftware.com we understand that some software skirts the very edge of acceptability and that some software even crosses that line in to cheating. That line can be murky and is defined differently on each site. We have drafted a policy that we think is clear and easy to enforce, and we hope you will respect it and respect our opinion on these matters on our site and our forums, even if it doesn’t match your own values.
It is our belief that at the heart of poker is the goal of winning and using whatever tools you have available to you within the rules of the game. Throughout the history of the game, there have been different rules at different casinos and a unique rule set at every kitchen table where nickels were anted and dollars were won and lost. As long you knew the rules of the house, you knew what advantages you could take that were legal and which types of behavior would get you kicked out of the game (or worse).
Following this line of thought, we believe that you should follow the rules of the online poker room where you are playing. If the poker room allows a piece of software specifically (many rooms have a list of both banned and accepted programs) then by all means, use it. If the software is banned, there can be no question, you are not following the rules that everyone has agreed to, and that is clearly defined as cheating.
This means that some programs are cheating on one site while they are perfectly acceptable on others. That might seem strange at first, but that’s how poker has always been, every house has it’s own rules. There are still games in America where it’s forbidden to check and then raise!
As an example, we have reviewed a product called poker-edge, which has been the source of some controversy. It is banned on PokerStars and Full Tilt, and while many people still use it on those sites, it is technically cheating to do so, and we don’t recommend or condone it on those sites. We did still review the product, because there are sites where it is allowed, and on those sites it’s a very useful tool and not defined as cheating at all.
There are some programs which are banned on all reputable online poker rooms, and we will not discuss, or allow discussion of those programs, in user reviews or on our forums. So called “bots” which play poker for you with no human interaction necessary, are the primary offender here, along with hole card sharing programs and a few other unmentionable scoundrels. So far these programs are not hurting the win rate of a solid player, and aren’t much to be concerned about, but anyone caught using them is subject to having their accounts suspended and their bankroll confiscated, as well as wearing the label “Cheater” for the rest of their poker career.
In short – We’re here to help you find every advantage that is available to you through the use of software, as long as it is within the rules on the poker room where you are using it. If it's against the rules of the room where you are using it, then you are cheating and we won't condone it. [/i:28r0n1ur][/quote:28r0n1ur] |
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Re: HUD STATS >>>>> which stats u use |
Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:20 pm |
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| Check for my article on this site about exactly that question. I think the one a lot of people miss is W$SD, because it tells you how often to bluff or value bet against a particular opponent. |
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Welcome to Poker Chat! |
Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:01 pm |
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| Welcome to the Poker Chat Forum. We love to talk about software, but it doesn't do you much good if you don't know how to play, so we can talk strategy in this forum, along with anything else that is poker related and doesn't belong in the other forums. Please read the forum rules below before posting.
[b:2i78evui]The following types of forum posts will result in a suspension or ban of your account and posting privileges.
- Spam, including any type of solicitation request or links to pay sites. If it's an affiliate link, we'll delete it and ban your IP.
- Begging or stake requests. There are places for that sort of thing, we don't want them cluttering up our boards.
- Racism, sexism, or prejudice of any type. Don't be offensive, there's no need for it, and this site doesn't involve anything that would bring up those subjects.
- Bots or illegal cheating software. If you are worried someone is using a bot against you, or want to know how to spot a bot, feel free to discuss it. If you want to create one to cheat and steal from the rest of us we will ban you immediately. The line should be pretty easy to see, just don't post anything that helps people who cheat and feel free to post things that help us defeat the thieves and you'll be fine. If you have a question about whether a post is appropriate, ask us first. [/b:2i78evui]
And now our policy on software, to clear up any questions you may have about the "gray area" that exists with some programs.
[i:2i78evui]Here at PokerSoftware.com we understand that some software skirts the very edge of acceptability and that some software even crosses that line in to cheating. That line can be murky and is defined differently on each site. We have drafted a policy that we think is clear and easy to enforce, and we hope you will respect it and respect our opinion on these matters on our site and our forums, even if it doesn’t match your own values.
It is our belief that at the heart of poker is the goal of winning and using whatever tools you have available to you within the rules of the game. Throughout the history of the game, there have been different rules at different casinos and a unique rule set at every kitchen table where nickels were anted and dollars were won and lost. As long you knew the rules of the house, you knew what advantages you could take that were legal and which types of behavior would get you kicked out of the game (or worse).
Following this line of thought, we believe that you should follow the rules of the online poker room where you are playing. If the poker room allows a piece of software specifically (many rooms have a list of both banned and accepted programs) then by all means, use it. If the software is banned, there can be no question, you are not following the rules that everyone has agreed to, and that is clearly defined as cheating.
This means that some programs are cheating on one site while they are perfectly acceptable on others. That might seem strange at first, but that’s how poker has always been, every house has it’s own rules. There are still games in America where it’s forbidden to check and then raise!
As an example, we have reviewed a product called poker-edge, which has been the source of some controversy. It is banned on PokerStars and Full Tilt, and while many people still use it on those sites, it is technically cheating to do so, and we don’t recommend or condone it on those sites. We did still review the product, because there are sites where it is allowed, and on those sites it’s a very useful tool and not defined as cheating at all.
There are some programs which are banned on all reputable online poker rooms, and we will not discuss, or allow discussion of those programs, in user reviews or on our forums. So called “bots” which play poker for you with no human interaction necessary, are the primary offender here, along with hole card sharing programs and a few other unmentionable scoundrels. So far these programs are not hurting the win rate of a solid player, and aren’t much to be concerned about, but anyone caught using them is subject to having their accounts suspended and their bankroll confiscated, as well as wearing the label “Cheater” for the rest of their poker career.
In short – We’re here to help you find every advantage that is available to you through the use of software, as long as it is within the rules on the poker room where you are using it. If it's against the rules of the room where you are using it, then you are cheating and we won't condone it. [/i:2i78evui][/quote] |
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Re: WOW - Amazing info! |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:37 pm |
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| If you PM Hatfield on PXF I'm sure he can dig up that layout for you. Once you have the table pic it's pretty easy to customize it for almost any site. We have thought about getting someone to make us some mods here on pokersoftware too, so we can have all kinds of slick little things for people to use. I find having a clear screen allows for lots of stats which makes poker more profitable, so mods are indispensable for me. |
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Navigamer |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:05 pm |
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| I checked this thing out at the WSoP last year and it looked pretty slick as long as it was easy to customize the AHK scripts that run it.
http://www.navigamerkeypads.com/
Any ideas on that? Anyone used it? Any idea how much work it would be to customize the AHK scripts that they use to make everything happen? |
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Re: Which Software Will Stop People from Sucking Out? |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:09 pm |
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| There's also "Fox's Super Suckout Stopper" Which is 100% guaranteed to stop suckouts when used properly*. It's fairly expensive at 3.8 million dollars, but what price is too much for the peace of mind that comes with knowing you'll never lose when you get your money in ahead again. Unfortunately I have seen you play Mindwise, and you rarely get your money in ahead in the first place so it's probably not worthwhile for you...
*Not actually guaranteed to stop suckouts. Warranty not applicable anywhere at any time. Product does not function correctly in any way nor is that implied. You Got Screwed By Fox Enterprises LLC is not responsible for frustration or high blood from malfunctions of the product. No refunds. Ever. |
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Re: Mac Compatibility |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:12 pm |
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| Most of it is not unfortunately. With most new Macs coming with the ability to run Windows, and most online poker players preferring PCs, the software makers are mostly ignoring the Mac OS now. I know some of this stuff is cross platform, but I don't know which are and which are not. |
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Re: WOW - Amazing info! |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:13 pm |
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| They are really easy to make for FTP, you just basically edit the table image in one of the themes. If I can do it, anyone can. |
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Re: Learning AHK |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:21 pm |
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| Thanks, I'll check into it. |
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Re: Navigamer |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:22 pm |
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| Awesome. I have bee thinking about buying one just so I can review it for the site. It seemed pretty slick when I tried it out for a minute at the WSoP. |
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Re: Which Software Will Stop People from Sucking Out? |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:45 pm |
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| There may be a discount in the future, as I have heard that Bax is coming out with a similar product that is less expensive. I have even heard that it may be available form the UB store to be bought with FPP's, which would really ruin the market for me.
It's not rigged mindwise, poker is just a terribly cruel game that no one should ever play. |
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Re: Q about Tournament Shark (the video) |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:47 pm |
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| That is a service that is in the works and will be available here on pokersoftware soon and will offer a bunch of useful software for one price. Keep your eyes peeled for it, Cal has worked feverishly to make it an awesome value. |
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Re: "free software" category |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:23 pm |
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| The free software link could be named something different, but it's not a category really. If you want to see all of the software that is free with no strings attached, you can use the "price" drop down menu once you pick a category and see only software that is completely free. We did not include the "sign up for a site" software in that list (the free category), because that might in fact annoy some people
We just thought that putting all the programs that you can get by signing up to a site in one place was a good thing because some people get most of their stuff that way. Most of the sites you can sign up for have big bonuses you can work through too, so it's not a bad way to go if you don't have the cash to pony up for a few hundred bucks worth of software that you really want.
We're not trying to pull anything over on anybody, they don't pay me enough here to risk my credibility, and Cal is a damn solid and honest human being, so I'm not worried about anything shady on this site at all.
I hope that all makes sense. If it seems to be a common thing that people see that link as deceitful we will find a new name for it, but "Software that is kind of free but you have to sign up for a site and play poker to get it" was just way too long and the web design guys would have a screaming fit if we tried to get them to fit all that in to one little space. That might be fun to see though, I love messing with the programmers. |
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Re: Welcome to Poker Chat! |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:24 pm |
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| Glad to hear it is useful to you. We built it so that it can grow and it will only get better as we keep adding things and learning more about all of the software that is out there. |
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Re: Thanks VulpesVulpes |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:19 pm |
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| Sounds like you've been around awhile, glad to hear from the old school from pokerfox days. Let us know if there's anything we can improve here on the site, we're we're still growing. |
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Re: Stars Auto-add on |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:21 pm |
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| I second that, forgetting the add-on always drives me nuts, though I would need it for FTP and Cake. |
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Re: Which Software Will Stop People from Sucking Out? |
Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:29 pm |
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| PS2: Is AK a premium hand?
[i:wakxzxdz]- It depends[/i:wakxzxdz]
PS3: Where is Lil?
[i:wakxzxdz]Who is Lil?[/i:wakxzxdz]
PS4: What I am supossed to play with my $0.25 roll?
[i:wakxzxdz]Double it a few times and then play $100 nlhe. 12 table until you have $100k in 3 months, withdraw all but $0.25 and repeat. Then send me on an all expense paid vacation to Machu Pichu as thanks.[/i:wakxzxdz] |
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Re: Best software to use when playing MTT's |
Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:16 pm |
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| Tournament Shark is great, and you may want to try out Hold'em Manager or PT3 and see if you like them better than PokerOffice. I know a lot of serious tournament players use one of the databases, either the Bluff PokerDB or Official Poker Rankings to get info on their opponents as well.
And don't forget my favorite tool, Google. I love to Google the screen names of my opponents and find hand histories that been posted involving them. Sometimes you can learn a lot about a player tat way, and most screen names are fairly uncommon strings so you'll relevant results on most of them right away.
Poker-edge can be great in tournaments, but be careful and only use it on sites where it's allowed.
The Sharkscope HUD can be very good too. If someone is a strong winning SNG player they are almost certainly a good MTT player too.
Get yourself some AHK scripts to make life easier for playing a bunch of tourneys at once too, they are really helpful. |
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Re: Which Software Will Stop People from Sucking Out? |
Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:19 pm |
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| Lil and I used to teach at the same site, but I haven't heard much from him since then. I don't really follow the tournament world so I didn't know he was missing. Is he busto? Kidnapped and help for ransom or forced to play poker tournaments in some crazy person's basement on a crappy laptop? |
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Re: tournament shark settings |
Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:20 pm |
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| Until then, find someone else who has Tournament Shark and have them pull up your table and tell you if you are any good. |
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Re: "free software" category |
Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:22 pm |
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| Are we still planning on doing that telethon with he talent show in it to raise funds? I hope so, my dog and I have worked out this great dance routine and I just spent $60 on a cane and some tap shoes. |
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Re: Poker Calculator Pro |
Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:39 am |
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| I'll try to get that one reviewed in the next couple of days. I imagine it's probably a very good choice if you tried it and liked it, because everything I've looked at from the Poker Pro Labs guys has been quality stuff and I would think their calculator would be no different. |
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Re: tournament shark settings |
Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:49 am |
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| I don't see an answer to the question about multiple computers on their site anywhere, but they answer support email very quickly. Ask them at supportatpokerprolabs.com
The stats are at least partially gathered by users, and definitely not as complete as sharkscope, but most players will have enough stats to be very useful, and the database will grow as you use the product. If there aren't very many stats at a particular tournament, keep using it and you will help build the database. I found that most of my opponents were pretty well covered in Tournament Shark, and if someone wasn't in the database, or just had a few results, they weren't usually a very experienced player and nothing o be scared of. |
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Re: Great HUD layouts?? |
Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:55 pm |
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| We really need to put some place on the site where we have a bunch of HUD layouts. |
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Re: What poker software do you use the most? |
Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:23 pm |
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| Dude, using PT2 is like traveling by covered wagon compared to PT3 and HM. Make the switch!
I regularly use PT3 and Holdem Manager, Hold'em Ranger, Full Tilt Shortcuts, Full Tilt Buddies, Full Tilt Table Opener, Table Highlighter, Full Tilt Planner, Stars Planner, Poker Score, Poker Charts, SharkScope, The SharkScope HUD, PokerTracker Omaha, PokerTracker Stud, and various Razz and Omaha calculators.
I use lots of other stuff working with students, but when I'm playing that is pretty much it. |
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Re: HEM - 2 problems anyone know how to fix? |
Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:35 pm |
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| HUD Options > Table Preferences >
And make sure the "Lock the Layout" check box is empty. If there is a check in that box it won't let you move your stats.
For the second problem I have never tried to make my full stats show up, but if you disable hero names that might work because it would treat you just like any other player. In most cases you are much better off just having your stats for that session, because it helps you to know how the table sees you and what your table image is like.
Having your lifetime stats displayed on the table doesn't do you much good, you can look at that stuff and work on your game when you are away from the tables and it will be much more effective.
The Holdem Manager forums are really good for getting specific questions answered, I would try there if you really want your stats to be next to you on the table and I'm sure they can help you out. |
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Re: AHK the basics |
Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:41 pm |
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| I think Jayme is working on a newbie guide, but until then -
Download here -
http://www.autohotkey.com/download/
Once AHK is installed you can right click on an empty space on your desktop and one of your options will be New > AutoHotKey Script. Select that.
Now you will probably see a file on your desktop with a big green H on it, that is a blank script.
Right click it and choose "Edit"
Now you can paste in the code and save the script and it's ready to use.
Because many of the scripts use functions, and those have to be in the same place as the script to work, I use a folder on my desktop for all my AHK scripts and functions. If a script doesn't say it needs anything extra, like functions, then don't worry about those, but you may want to use a folder anyway so that you don't have AHK scripts all over your desktop. |
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Re: What poker software do you use the most? |
Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:20 pm |
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| I just like them because the stats are slick and they take up a lot less computing power. I run so many other things that PT2 would lock my machine up all the time. With HM I can eve run Pandora while I'm playing if there's nothing good on XM Radio. |
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Re: Poker Tracker Tutorial? |
Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:23 pm |
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| I'll definitely be making more guides for the major tracking applications once the site has had a few weeks to help me figure out what the most common questions are. |
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Re: What poker software do you use the most? |
Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:32 pm |
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| My computer is already so fast I can't keep up with it, but it's loaded down from running way to many programs and the hard drive is almost full from testing 80 programs for this site. What I need is a computer dedicated just to software testing. |
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Re: Holdem manager and Ipoker |
Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:33 pm |
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| That's great news, having someone actually help you in person like that doesn't happen with very many sites. I aslo love teamviewer, I use it with many of my students and it's free and simple. |
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Re: Has anyone tried this software? Is this legal? |
Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:27 pm |
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| Any program that plays for you is illegal on every site, and I can absolutely guarantee you that if this program does what is says it does it will get your bankroll confiscated by any site you use it on.
A few other things I noticed about this program while looking at the site -
1. The site doesn't actually have a forum. That is usually a cause for concern, because if a program is stealing people's passwords, ripping them off, or is just junk, they can't have a forum or everyone will post their terrible experience there.
2. There is no way a bot can play well in the first four or five rounds, and their buzz words "Nash Equilibrium" and "Bayes Theorem" won't help them there. If this thing does what it says it won't make you all that much money even at the micro limits, and whatever it does make will be confiscated by the site within a few days anyway. A bot like this is very easy to detect.
3. One of their future plans is an MTT bot, which is basically impossible with our current knowledge of AI. This just makes me think that this thing is junk or built to steal passwords.
While it might be possible to program a bot to beat the micro-limit turbo SNG's, in fact I'm sure it would be, a human can beat them better and without worry of losing his bankroll for cheating and losing his good name in the poker world forever. |
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Re: sharkskopeHUD |
Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:27 pm |
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| Sharkscope compiles statistics on sit and go tournaments. The HUD displays those statistics, or an icon that represents them, right on the table next to their avatar. You can read a more detailed description in the review
http://www.pokersoftware.com/sharkscope_hud/
and you can see screenshots of what it looks like here
http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html
This program doesn't replace any part of your ply, it just tells you how good your opponents are to help you make better decisions against them.
Let me know what your specific questions are and I can be more helpful. |
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Re: The best free poker calculator |
Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:21 pm |
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| After seeing your post I went to the site, downloaded and reviewed the software. I am very impressed! While it is missing some of the higher end functionality of PokerStove or Holdem Ranger, it has most of the things I use every day for hand analysis and it's much easier and faster to use than those programs. The interface is the easiest I have dealt with and everything is very intuitive. 4H is my new "go to" calculator for hand analysis.
Adding a way to add frequencies for certain ranges (I think he would make this play half the time with AK and all the time with AA or KK for example) like Holdem Ranger allows for, would really make it the only calculator I need. |
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Re: The best free poker calculator |
Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:44 pm |
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Re: Chip reloader... |
Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:47 pm |
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| I see the problem. There are a bunch nonsense words and symbols in some order that does not make sense in the English language at all. Computers are not as smart as we are, and they are easily confused, so if I don't understand it your machine probably won't get it either. Try this code -
"<computer message>
Dear Computer,
When I select a PokerStars table and hit F9, please reload all the chips on that table but not all of the others. Otherwise you are doing great. Thanks.
</computer message>"
That should fix your problem. Otherwise have Jayme look in to it, he knows all about all those crazy interweb hacker sites and all that stuff the kids are doing with their pornos and their computer games. |
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Re: Holdem Manager |
Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:25 pm |
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| This is something I will have an article written on soon, but for now I can explain a few of the common stats here.
I use VPIP and PFR (PreFlop Raise) for my preflop stats in every game, and in 6max or fixed-limit games where blind stealing and defense is more important, I also use FB (Fold Big Blind to Steal) and AS (Attempt to Steal).
For flop stats I use CB (Continuation Bet) and FCB (Fold to Continuation Bet)
For overall stats I use W$SD (How often the player Wins Showdowns) TAF (Total Aggression Factor) and BB/100
It's always important to have the number of total hands you have logged on the player in your stats so you can tell how accurate they are. If you only have five hands on someone, but don't know that, you might see 80% VPIP and 25% W$SD and think they are a loose fish when in fact they have just had a couple of good hands that didn't hold up.
Also keep in mind that some stats are tested more than others. In 100 hands you have a fairly accurate read on a players VPIP and PFR, but their W$SD could still be way off because the sample size isn't big enough, and the BB/100 is almost useless until you have at least a few thousand hands on a player.
Article coming soon. |
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Re: Favorite site to play at? |
Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:36 pm |
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| I play mostly cash games, and rakeback is a big deal to me, so I very rarely ply on Stars. I have been playing there lately because the 50/100 and 75/150 Omaha are so good some nights and the games are high enough that rakeback doesn't mean much.
The only site that usually has traffic in the higher Razz and mixed games that I like is Full Tilt, and I have good rakeback there so I play all my alternate games there. I like their tourneys too, though not as soft as Cake's.
When I play Hold'em cash games it's always on Cake. Everything about it is better for playing Hold'em, from the rakeback and player rewards, to the incredibly weak players.
With my students I find that those who are good at note taking and aren't interested in playing a ton of tables do better on Cake than anywhere else, while the guys who want to play a ton of tables and use tracking software are better off on Full Tilt as long as they can get rakeback there.
Shoot me an email Kugr, I might be able to help with your Full Tilt rakeback problem. |
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Re: ipoker tracking site?? |
Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:47 am |
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| I have to venture a guess that ipoker makes it very hard to collect data from their site, because they are the third or fourth largest network in the world now and neither of the databases you mentioned covers them. The Bluff DB doesn't cover their tournaments either, and I know they would do so if it were reasonably possible. I couldn't find anything that covers their tournaments at all. |
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Re: How much do you play? |
Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:23 pm |
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| A few years ago I was playing 50 to 60 hours a week, but now I have so many other projects going on that 20 hours a week is my usual. About half that is smaller cash games on Cake, usually 1/2 and 2/4 no-limit Omaha 8, and the other half is 30/60 to 100/200 alternate games on Full Tilt. |
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Re: Favorite site to play at? |
Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:24 pm |
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| I don't know much about a couple of the games at the 8 way tables, but I really should learn about them, I have heard a lot about how juicy those games are. |
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Programmer Needed |
Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:27 pm |
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| I have been hoping to get a program written for some time now that combines all of the things I use to analyze hands when working with students. I have all the calculations in a spreadsheet except the hand calculator stuff, and that is all publicly available. If you have the skills and want to learn more about the project, please PM me here on the site. |
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What situations are the toughest? |
Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:42 pm |
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| What situations in the games you play are the toughest or most frustrating for you?
An example that comes to mind for me is when you raise preflop with AA or KK and are called from late position in a no-limit Hold'em game. The flop comes under cards with draws, like 9h 4h 3s, and an aggressive opponent raises your flop bet. Do you push to punish the draws and lower over pairs, or do you slow down in case he has flopped a set? Can you fold if the draws miss on the turn and he shoves all-in?
When you know your opponent, this decision is usually easy, but with an unknown opponent at any game above $50 buy-in it's a tough decision. At the $1k games I usually play it's even tougher because that play so often means a set. At the micro-limits it's an easy shove on the flop when he raises. |
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Re: What situations are the toughest? |
Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:26 pm |
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| I think we need a "Dibs"system for fish like that. The first guy at the table who recognizes the fish can call dibs and he gets the fish's chips. Then you know you suck when you sit down at a table and the chat box immediately reads -
"Dibs"
"dibs"
"I got dibs"
"dibs"
"Dibs on the fish"
"dibs"
"Got dibs on Kugr" |
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Re: Omaha Hi/Lo - Any software or tools recommeneded? |
Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:20 pm |
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| The Poker4h calculator is quite good, and I'm in the midst of reviewing Omaha Indicator, which looks very good so far. I also use Poker Tracker Omaha regularly and it is invaluable. |
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Re: Poker Bots? |
Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:01 pm |
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| I have played against the University of Alberta's bots and they are very strong one-on-one, but pretty weak when you add a few players.
In terms of using them, not only do I hate them, but I know that most people lose money with them. If you win find a spot at the micro-limits where you can win consistently, most sites will just take all the money in your account when they catch you and that doesn't take long. Otherwise most people who try to use "bots" think they are somehow a better programmer than everyone else and have their bot play low or middle limits where people figure out that it's a bot and start crushing it.
Anyone smart enough to build a winning micro-limit bot shoudl be spending that time studying and they could make a much better living at the tables with their brain. I guarantee you that there is not a bot programmer in the world who made what I made last year at the tables, and I am not even very smart or hardworking. Just lazy mostly. |
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Re: software |
Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:02 pm |
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| If you already have PokerTracker 2 and want to buy Poker Ace Hud to go with it, I think you can do that from the Poker Tracker site. It's much better to buy PokerTracker 3 instead, because it is a big upgrade from PokerTracker 2 and it comes with it's own HUD. |
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Re: SharkScope banned from PokerStars |
Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:04 pm |
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| And anyone with a laptop sitting next to their main computer can run sharkscope with no possibility of getting caught. That gives cheaters an automatic free advantage that a ton of them will be using, while players who are honest will be forced to play against that advantage. Stars is crazy trying to make rules like this that they can not enforce. |
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Re: Omaha Hi/Lo - Any software or tools recommeneded? |
Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:45 pm |
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Re: software |
Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:03 pm |
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| Kugr, remember that Tourney Manager is a bankroll and results tracking application. It doesn't take the place of HM, and I would use both for tournaments because the two do completely different things. Both great products though. |
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Re: Full Disclosure |
Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:18 pm |
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| I don't have anything to do with the site reviews, but I might be able to address some of your concerns until someone gets here who is more qualified to do it.
I think if there was a lot of fear of cheating going forward the reviewers would have mentioned it. Other than future worry, talking about the past in a review is very subjective, and if they start talking about those issues people might want to hear about any trouble any of the sites have had in the past and the reviews really start to go south.
I have been a very vocal critic of UB in the past, but since the scandal has wound down some and they have spent a bunch of money on security, the fear of future cheating doesn't seem any higher at Cereus than it would be anywhere else. |
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Re: Pitbull Poker Software |
Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:32 am |
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Re: Idleminer/Holdem manager |
Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:46 pm |
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| Once HM has processed the files you can do anything you want with them. Most people delete them, and if you are really worried about losing info you may want to just make a back up of your database from HM once in a while. You could also move them all to a folder that you periodically compress into a zip file and then delete the old hand histories if you want to save them tht way, it won't effect HM at all. |
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Re: ipSkinner versus iBolide |
Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:18 am |
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| I know people who have masked their IP and then been unable to cash out and lost their bankrolls. Be very cautious if you are trying to play on a site and lying about who you are or where you live. |
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Re: Hand Hq |
Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:58 pm |
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| I haven't seen anything that covers SNG's quite like HandHQ does for cash games, but sharkscope is very good. We shoudl talk to HandHQ and see if they plan to cover tourneys some day. |
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Re: ipSkinner versus iBolide |
Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:28 pm |
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| One of my students just lost $1,500 on Party because he has no way to cash out and they want proof that he lives in the U.K. which he does not.. |
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Re: Donkey Tracker |
Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:27 am |
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| Looks interesting, I'll have to check it out and see if it work better than PTO and PAHUD. It would be nice to have a more advanced HUD. |
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Ghoster Question |
Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:11 am |
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| I've been trying to use Ghoster, but it only dims the left side monitor on my sstem. When I change the settings for multi-monitors or for moving the image to the right it doesn't seem to have any effect. Any ideas on that? It owuld be ag reat little program for me if I can get it to work on the right side. |
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Re: Newbie Question: Why is Holdem Manager better than Pokertr |
Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:45 pm |
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| There are people who like PT better, but the majority seem to favor Holdem Manager right now. It's probably best to try out both programs and see which you like best and which works best on your machine.
The primary reason people favor HM over PT right now is that it has a few less bugs and seems to work better with huge databases and many tables open. I often play 8 tables and have over two million hands in my database and HM has no problem running everything and doesn't eat up a lot of resources. |
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Re: Ghoster Question |
Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:47 pm |
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| Awesome thanks. I think I'm going to switch to a 40" TV instead of my monitors so it may not matter anyway. Dual monitors just presents too muchpain in the ass in a lot of places. |
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Re: What are you using? |
Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:06 am |
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| I use Holdem Manager every time I play Hold'em unless I am playing on Cake where I don't use anything at all.
When I am playing Omaha on Full Tilt or Stars I use Omaha Tracker, and I use Stud Tracker on the same sites when I play Razz.
For sit and go's I also use Sharkscope and the Sharkscope HUD where it is allowed.
For serious multi-tabling I use table highlighter, ghoster, Full Tilt Shortcuts, and my tables are heavily modified as well.
When I am analyzing hands I use the pokerxfactor replayer and pokerstove. Sometimes complicated hands call for Holdem Ranger and the Hand Combos AHK script and a spreadsheet that I wrote myself.
I use my own spreadsheets to keep track of my winnings, but I used pokercharts for a long time and liked it.
In MTT's I use Official Poker Rankings to get info on my opponents.
I use a programmable mouse too, but I will probably end up getting a gamepad or something soon. |
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Re: Wireless Poker Controller v Programmable mouse? |
Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:44 pm |
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| I have a Poker Controller on it's way, and I'll be reviewing it as soon as I get it and put it to use. Most programmable mice are set up for gaming and have a lot of features you don't need, and almost all of them are programmable with macros so I would suggest you put your hand on a few of them and see what feels really good.
I like the buttons on this one -
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... &CatId=143
but it has a cord, so you may want to try a look at this section -
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =1&Recs=10
I am hoping to compare the navigamer and Poker Controller side by side some time as well. |
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Re: HEM v PT3 Imprt Speed Test |
Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:47 pm |
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| Wow that's an awesome experiment, and surprising to see PT3 so far ahead. I imported 3 million hands into HM a little while back and it took around 3 hours on my machine. I'll have to try importing those hands in to PT3 and see how big the difference is. |
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Re: Poker Trainer |
Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:56 pm |
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| I'm heavily biased because I wteach there, but I recommend pokerxfactor for everything hehe. CR and Stox are also very good, and if you really serious and want to study hard and make as much money as possible I would recommend memberships to all three. |
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Re: HM question |
Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:30 am |
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| In the Options > Table you can pick whether it shows and the most recent one, two, or three hands. The number is the size of the pot that the player won, and you can click on the player's name and see how the pot played out. |
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Re: HEM v PT3 Imprt Speed Test |
Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:34 am |
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| I have found that my 64 bit processor computer actually sees to import quite a bit faster than my brand new duo core Intel machine in HM. I haven't had a chance to try the experiment with PT3 and see how long it takes to import those hands, but my experience was that HM was faster in small imports so I assume it was faster in bigger imports as well. |
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Re: sit n go on stars |
Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:42 am |
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| We have a set of guides coming out soon that will have our recommendations for each game that should be helpful. I like HM for sit and go's and the filtered sit and go opener ahk script. Tourney Manager is great for tracking your success too. |
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Re: Ghoster Question |
Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:55 am |
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| I was actually wondering about that. How does a 40" TV look if it's one of the cheaper lower resolution models and I have 8 tables running on it? |
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Re: PokerStars Reload Bonus and 25 billion hand promotions |
Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:44 am |
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| Definitely take advantage of this, it's a nice bonus and you can get your deposit limits raised to $1,000 per day so you can get it in one deposit just by emailing Stars support and asking for it to be raised. It only took about 20 minutes for them to reply with the limit raised on my account and I was able to deposit with my debit card. |
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New site for finding a coach |
Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:19 am |
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| I decided that there should be a site that listed all the best poker coaches, and I wasn't happy with any of the current sites, so I made one. Check it out at [url:1i2yf8la]http://www.foxpoker.com[/url:1i2yf8la] It is still sort of under construction but it will get prettier and the number of coaches will grow over the next few weeks. If you have any advice on how to make the site better please let me know. |
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What would you like to see? |
Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:56 am |
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| If you could have a programmer write you a piece of software to use at the tables what would it be?
For me I would want a HUD for Holdem Manager that allowed me to use icons that I imported myself, and allowed me to set any possible parameters for when various icons were displayed and what color they were and how dark they were. Then I could set icons to appear faintly for the first few hands I logged on a player and gradually get darker as my sample size on that player grew. I could use my own icons to give myself pictures of what a player played like according to specific sets of stats. Think of having all the power of the stats but with no time spent reading them because it's all second nature to understand how someone plays based on the icon you have displayed next to their name. 20 or 30 of them available in different colors would do. |
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Re: New site for finding a coach |
Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:57 pm |
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| The site is definitely still under construction, I'm adding links gradually. You could coach people in drinking or picking up chicks at bars in Costa Rica, but not poker. You have to be good at something to coach people in it, which is why I only teach poker and don't give relationship or career advice. |
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Re: New site for finding a coach |
Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:02 pm |
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| That's a pretty small sample, but pretty good results, well done sir. You are so self deprecating when it comes to poker that I thought you were actually an amateur. If you can continue those results over a larger sample size I would be happy to have you listed on the site. |
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Re: PokerStars Reload Bonus and 25 billion hand promotions |
Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:02 pm |
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| I used my debit card and it was np. |
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Re: Should I take a look at PokerOffice? |
Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:54 pm |
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| The review that is up now or will be up within the next 24 hours is a new review of Poker Office 5. I did the review and have been working with PO for the last week and I really like it for some things. For 8 to 12 tabling fixed-limit games I'm using it exclusively because it has a great icon system which is all I really have time to look at while running that many tables. The icons are better than PT3 and HM won't have an autorate system for another few week at least, so right now PO is best for that.
If you want to really customize where your stats go, PO is not for you because you can't move the stats around, and HU players who use 8 rows of stats won't like it because you are limited to two rows.
I honestly never liked PO much in previous releases and went in to this review expecting very little, but they really did a great job this time. The stuff for analyzing your own game is really good, and the program works really well.
If you are one of those guys who plays 16 tables of SNG's then take a look at it and see if it handles that well before you buy it, but you may like it. PO also appears to track tourney results very well, but I haven't used it a lot for SNG's so I don't know if that function works really well or just looks good when I took a quick look at it. |
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Re: specific need |
Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:03 pm |
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| There are lots of good resources for this. Turbo Texas Hold'em is cheap and can run lots of hands quickly with some preset characters, so that might work. The Poker Academy is much better, and you can get the good pro version for around $150 I think. The best HU opponent you can find would be the University of Alberta's bot that plays very strong HU fixed-limit and pretty strong HU no-limit as well. I played against an old version of the fixed-limit bot and it was very strong. I don't know if it's still available online or not, but these folks would know -
http://poker.cs.ualberta.ca/
This link might be useful as well -
http://www.poker-academy.com/wprc/
You can also buy a huge quantity of hands online and find typical aggression factors, or have your players bring in their Pokertracker or Holdem Manager databases if they are serious players, and match their live stats against those in a large sample in their online database.
It seems like a lot of things would effect your study. A very good player will be more aggressive live against a mediocre opponent because he will have lots of physical tells and have a much bigger advantage than the could get online. On the other hand a typical online player is more aggressive simply because they are much better players as a whole. A 2/4 game online is as tough as an 8/16 game here in Minnesota, though I hear the live games in many places are softer than they are here. A typical 1/2 no-limit game online is tougher than a typical 2/5 no-limit game in Vegas, I know that for sure, so you can expect to see more aggression online because better players tend to be more aggressive. |
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Re: New site for finding a coach |
Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:05 pm |
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| Don't tell anyone, but if you want to make real money against fish, play HORSE and Razz. The games are still weak, even as high as 100/200 I still see fish on occasion. |
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Re: Four color decks? |
Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:18 pm |
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| I absolutely use it every time or I miss flushes occasionally. I know guys who played live poker for a long time before online came around usually don't like it, but when multi-tabling it is essential to me. |
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Complete Poker Tournament Strategy in this post |
Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:33 pm |
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| I figured it all out this weekend in Reno -
[img:3f6d0mgb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3366/3331726747_b0875469cc_o.jpg[/img:3f6d0mgb] |
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Re: PC Security on your Poker Computer? + tips |
Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:32 pm |
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| That's great stuff, I hadn't thought of some of those things.
I recently got a dedicated computer just for poker. When it's not being used for poker it's not even plugged in to my router, and I don't surf the net with it or do anything that might cause security risks. |
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Re: Bubble alert AHK script? |
Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:35 pm |
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| I agree, that would make life much easier. |
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Re: Four color decks? |
Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:36 pm |
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| Only UNO, and never for high stakes |
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Re: Online poker odds calculators? |
Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:30 pm |
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| I think if you can just drop a hand history in and get the odds as you walk through each street that would be slick, but there's no telling how many people would actually use it. |
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Re: NoteAbbs Makes Note Taking a Breeze |
Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:32 am |
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| I'm curious to see what this thing does. Something to make notes easier on Full Tilt would be great. I thought about learning to write AHK just so I could create something that would open up the notes on a player when I click shift+F "seatnumber" and closes them when I hit End. Less clicking and more notes. |
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Re: Ante up tournaments on Stars? |
Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:55 pm |
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| I hadn't heard of these tournaments, that sounds interesting. Sounds like stealing will be huge in those tournaments, and anyone who is aggressive enough will have a nice advantage over the tight players as long as they can handle the steal and resteal game. I'll try to play one soon to see how they go. |
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Re: Security of Software |
Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:29 pm |
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| I can't guarantee anything because I am not a computer security expert, but I check out every program that I review very carefully, and I have never found a reputable licensed version of any of the products we have reviewed to contain malicious or dangerous software.
If you are downloading a program you don't know about there is always a risk, especially, as KUGR mentioned, if the software is pirated. If you are interested in something we have not reviewed, please let us know about it and we'll check it out, we are always looking for new software to review.
Any server can be infected with a virus, worm, or trojan, so even a reputable program can end up with a trojan coming along for the ride with the download and infecting your computer if you aren't careful. I actually got a virus once when I was just on Google! The best thing to do to stay safe from that sort of attack is to keep good anti-virus software, update it often and run a full machine scan once a week. If you download anything, and I mean anything from a picture of Aunt Martha that your mom sent to the newest hit single from some boy band I probably hate, scan it with your anti-virus software before you open it. |
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Re: Ante up tournaments on Stars? |
Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:35 pm |
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| I would use M from the Harrington books as a starting place for open shoving these things, and you can make a spreadsheet with ICM calculations that would tell you when it was optimal to shove any two or a particular hand. I would imagine that you are pretty close, though maybe a little conservative on your guesses, with ~30 antes being a good place to start shoving a lot. With a greater chance to win the antes when you do shove, shoving with any two can probably wait longer than it would with a blind structure, but only by a little bit.
The limping thing is spot on, when you can see a flop that cheap it's great, and if there are lots of people seeing flops it would be a great structure for those of us who know how to play post-flop.
It's also interesting that the blinds have the advantage preflop in this game because they are last to act and the blind they are paying doesn't matter at all. |
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Re: Security of Software |
Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:48 pm |
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| The AP and UB scandals are certainly cause for concern, but those were caused by security holes in the software itself and weakness in the security team at those sites, rather than by third party software or virus issues. To avoid things like being cheated, ply only at large secure sites, don't play too much with one person who is beating you, and don't play nosebleed stakes where there is enough money to interest potential cheaters. |
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Re: Ante up tournaments on Stars? |
Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:56 pm |
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| If people are folding that frequently to raises that small I guess you should be stealing like mad. Once people get used to those tournaments and stealing and restealing become rampant, you'll have to play better hands, but it sounds like you could almost open with any two, every chance you get.
The concept of M is still important, you just don't have to follow the rules that apply to blinds. Remember what your M is with the antes to keep yourself aware of where you are in the tournament and how much pressure you are under to make a move. |
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Re: First Impressions on PlayerGPS.com |
Sat May 02, 2009 4:44 am |
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| I just checked this service out, and I'm very impressed. This is going to be great as long as they don't charge a million bucks for it. Those fewls who run from me at the HORSE tables will never be able to play again muhhahaha!! |
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Re: First Impressions on PlayerGPS.com |
Wed May 06, 2009 6:30 pm |
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| I haven't had a problem with speed so far, it seems to let me know wen someone is on within a few minutes at the longest, but I haven't used it that much. I am also pleased with the fact that it acts as an extra security layer, texting me when my account sits down at the tables. I recommend everyone put themselves on their list. If I ever get that text message that I have just logged on and it's not me I'll be forewarned that someone is on my account within minutes. |
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Re: How to contact the site? |
Fri May 15, 2009 12:55 pm |
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| This is as good a place as any to contact one of us quickly. If you want to send me a private message here on the forum or email me at pokerfox.net at gmail.com, I can check in to who did the original review and get it updated right away. |
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PlayerGPS Question |
Wed May 20, 2009 9:29 pm |
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| It appears that their pricing is based on the blinds, and it all references no-limit games. Has anyone heard if that reflects fixed-limit games at the same blind level? It certainly seems ridiculous to charge $15/30 fixed limit players the Balla price, and the Grinder level is not for fixed-limit grinders if the max is $1/2 which is micro-limits for fixed-limit players. |
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Re: PlayerGPS Question |
Tue May 26, 2009 6:52 pm |
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| For $15/30 players I think the program is well worthwhile and I will be a subscriber for sure if hey add alternate games. It's the $1/2 FLHE player who has to pay 7 big bets a month for the service that will never buy it. Services that sell hand histories or Holdem Manager all base their fees on one set of blind levels for no-limit and pot-limit players and another for fixed-limit players, and I think it's the right way to do things. They would get more subs if they made a little change in the structure. |
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Re: Data Mining |
Tue May 26, 2009 7:08 pm |
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| We will have a review up of prodatamine.com within a few days |
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Re: Taking a break from poker |
Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:43 am |
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| I find that breaks are good for my game, and I always come back refreshed. It's never bad to watch a video or read a book to refresh your skills a little bit, and I always play a little smaller when I come back. Playing lower buy-ins is always helpful because you can really crush the games and build some confidence.
I also like to go through my old stats in PT3 or HM and look for mistakes I might find with fresh eyes that haven't been looking at them or playing in a while.
Welcome back, hope your results are good. |
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Re: Poker Software |
Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:26 pm |
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| Once you get Holdem Manager set up correctly it will automatically load in your hand histories, you just have to hit "auto-import" and it will be running until you tell it to stop.
HeM doesn't calculate pot odds, you may want to buy a calculator for that or create a table skin with pot odds in it. |
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Re: article "Outlawing Online Poker Software" |
Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:09 pm |
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| I would love to hear what they would have to say about the article and the ideas, but I doubt that anything is coming any time soon. No one wants to outlaw anything first unless they have to because it drives customers away and those are customers who play lots of tables and pay lots of rake. Pleasing the 12 table cash players is very important for them, and as long as the two big dogs remain the two big dogs and they won't agree with each other to ban certain things, they will never do anything about it because neither one wants to be the first to ban anything that drives those 12 table grinders away.
It's important to remember when dealing with sites that a serious grinder pays 50 times as much rake as the average player, so the average player doesn't mean anything to them and the serious grinders are all that matters. This is why Stars pays less than the equivalent of 10% rakeback at the lowest levels for their VIP program and almost 60% for the few players who play so much that they make SuperNova Elite. |
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Re: article "Outlawing Online Poker Software" |
Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:28 pm |
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| That's a way more well thought out reply than I would ever have expected. It sounds like a politician saying "We're aware of this problem and we are dedicated to this issue" without offering any real solution, but it is at least a real reply from a real person which is much better than you would get from most sites. I'm glad Stars at least seems interested in the issue.
Well done on getting a reply from them! |
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Re: No-Limit-Hold-Em Software wanted |
Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:55 am |
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| Holdem Manager should be able to do most of these things. It won't get as specific as you are asking for unless you write your own queries for the SQL database, but I know people have done that. You might want to check twoplustwo and ask around in the software forums. Separating out all-in situations on a specific street is something that probably hasn't been done for HeM, but you could go review a set of your own hands and track your own stats on that.
The problem with some of these things is that you probably will have trouble getting a representative sample size for things like all-in situations on the turn. A typical player in tournaments might see 20% of flops, and see the turn about 65% of the time they see the flop, cutting it down to 13%. Of that 13% of hands that even see the turn, let's guess that at least 25% of those never see a showdown, leaving you with about 10% of hands that see a showdown (and that's being generous). Then you figure out what percentage of those hands get all-in on the turn specifically, and it might be 10% of them, so you are down to 1% of the total hands.
If you have 20,000 hands in your database, you only have 200 turn all-in situations. A 200 hand sample size is completely meaningless in terms of determining anything with certainty. You could have a W$SD percentage anywhere from 5 to 95 in that sample size, though most will be between 40 and 60 percent. With ten times as many hands you would start to get some idea, but it still wouldn't be perfectly accurate.
If you did get a big enough sample size from playing a few years worth of tournaments for a typical player, you could compare it to how often you should have won, which would require the program to analyze each hand and determine the favorite. Even for a slick program like PokerStove, running 2,000 hands would take some time.
Following the table's play really doesn't help much because you don't know what people folded and can't get a guaranteed read on how they are playing.
Once you do those things, then finding large stack vs. smaller stack should be easy if you can write a query to the database.
You might want to contact the independent testers who have done this sort of research and find out how they have done it. The two I know off the top of my head are -
http://www.bmm.com.au/
and
http://www.cigital.com/
They are the companies that certify Stars random number generator. I don't know how many of their methods they will share with you, but it can't hurt to ask.
If you are looking to answer a specific question, let us know what it is and maybe we can help. |
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Re: New site for finding a coach |
Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:50 pm |
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| There are actually more cash than tournament coaches on the site right now. |
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Re: Thoughts on Full Tilt Poker potentially killing shortstacker |
Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:56 pm |
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| I guess you can make tables where only stacks of a certain size can play, that's certainly the site's choice to do something like that, and the player's choice to play only at those tables. I have never understood why people are so afraid of short stackers. I find them easy to play against, and even the good ones just aren't a big hassle because the decisions are so easy. Work with Poker Stove and get Holdem Manager and you should be able to put them on ranges and shove or fold against their raises, and call or fold and their reraises fairly easily.
Dealing with different stack sizes keeps them game interesting, and I would hate to see the really weak players who show up at my tables with 30 BB as the last of their bankroll, told that they can not sit down and give me their money.
If they make some of the tables with a 50BB minimum I think you would find that those tables were less profitable and mostly populated with grinders who can only play deep stacked. I don't think those tables would be as profitable as the regular tables are now. |
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Re: Thoughts on Full Tilt Poker potentially killing shortstacker |
Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:36 am |
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| I have played a lot of no-limit and pot-limit and dealing with shortstackers has never been a big problem for me. Track their stats and see what they are doing so that you can crush them, but why fear them or hate them? The only reason I see that a lot of grinders hate the shortstackers is because it requires them to look at stack size when they make their decisions and that prevents them from players 768 tables. Anyone with a short stack simply has less moves to make.
I would be interested to hear about their mathematical advantage. If they do have an advantage then I don't know why you aren't shortstacking yourselves, but I can't imagine how you could prove that a shorter stack has an advantage over a bigger stack. Their life might be a little easier since they have less choices to worry about, but they also lose the advantages of a deeper stack too.
If you want to play deep stack tables, that is your thing and you can lobby for deep stack tables, but it's not the shortstackers fault that you are only comfortable playing with people of a certain stack size. |
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